toy adjective "fixes"

[queenie]

hi! spurred on by this thread, i took a look through the majority of babyz toyz and left a little surprised that a lot of their internal data did not line up. for those who do not know, toyz in petz and in babyz have specific adjectives assigned to them, most importantly (to me. also easiest to edit) they each have a colour and a flavour, which is there so a pet or baby can "recognize" the colour of the object and also "taste" the object.

a lot of babyz toyz (as far as i can read this data that is) do not have an assigned colour. they have assigned flavours, but for example a baby with the favourite colour "red" wouldn't be able to see the firetruck as red because internally it is defined as white, as are nearly all of the items in the game that were not originally in petz (which mostly seem to retain the same adjectives they also have in petz). now, i don't know if babyz react to their favourite colours in the same way petz do, but i think they should. they deserve that.


explanation out of the way, here is a set of "fixed" (i think!) toyz i threw together this morning. now they have colour values, AND i made all different foods be different flavours so your babyz can actually tell the difference between them and have some corresponding to their favourite flavour. hopefully!

what number corresponds to what colour or flavour was referenced off of this list here.

> download for adjusted food items
alterations:
carrot jar changed to orange (remains default/"chicken" flavour - all jars have this usually)
banana jar changed to yellow and sweet flavour
peas jar changed to green and flavour 03 (debated to be "wet food" in petz)

veggie bowl changed to green (remains "fish/olives" flavour - all bowls have this usually)
meat bowl changed to brown and flavour 01 ("beef" in petz)
oatmeal bowl changed to purple and creamy/milk flavour

milk bottle changed to creamy/milk (04) flavour
orange juice changed to orange (remains sweet flavour - milk used to be sweet as well, now it matches petz)

(food now covers all regular food flavours except for cheese. variety!)

> download for a couple of other toyz
alterations:
brown rag doll changed to brown
pink rag doll changed to pink
candy cane changed to sweet flavour
clown doll changed to blue
drum changed to yellow
firetruck changed to red
plane changed to blue
rattle changed to blue
rubber ducky changed to yellow and bouncy/chewtoy flavour
spoon changed to grey
teddy bear changed to brown
train changed to brown and wooden flavour

[lobb]

queenie thank you for these!

For what it's worth, I think the bowls and jars only seem to have the same flavour and colour by default because they're about the containers themselves, not the food inside them. Unlike in Petz, the food babyz actually eat are the flood blobs that can be scooped out. There's a value in each file that determines the sprite's colour and I'm guessing there's a script that gives the blobs the correct adjectives, I just can't figure out where it is or how it works. The different foods don't seem to have the same adjectives gameplay-wise, since babyz do react differently to them. This is why I haven't been able to figure out what the flavour adjectives are in Babyz, because they seem to be mostly "hidden", if that makes sense. Did you manage to change/figure out the blob flavours and colours? If not (and if you just changed the values for the jars) that's ok, I'm not trying to put down your work or anything, just trying to figure out how Babyz is supposed to work. It could be that the current theory is wrong, idk.

And a huge thank you for changing the toyz colour adjectives!! That's been bothering me for ages and I'm glad someone took the time to fix it <3

[ℓacey ☀️]

this is so cool queenie!! thank you for this, i can't wait to see how my babyz react differently to the fixed items!

[queenie]

Nov 18, 2023 8:56:42 GMT -5 lobb said:

queenie thank you for these!

For what it's worth, I think the bowls and jars only seem to have the same flavour and colour by default because they're about the containers themselves, not the food inside them. Unlike in Petz, the food babyz actually eat are the flood blobs that can be scooped out. There's a value in each file that determines the sprite's colour and I'm guessing there's a script that gives the blobs the correct adjectives, I just can't figure out where it is or how it works. The different foods don't seem to have the same adjectives gameplay-wise, since babyz do react differently to them. This is why I haven't been able to figure out what the flavour adjectives are in Babyz, because they seem to be mostly "hidden", if that makes sense. Did you manage to change/figure out the blob flavours and colours? If not (and if you just changed the values for the jars) that's ok, I'm not trying to put down your work or anything, just trying to figure out how Babyz is supposed to work. It could be that the current theory is wrong, idk.

And a huge thank you for changing the toyz colour adjectives!! That's been bothering me for ages and I'm glad someone took the time to fix it <3

oh yeah, there's definitely a big chance i may be wrong! hence the "hopefully" -- i am not sure at all if i know what i'm doing!!
i just went off of my limited petz editing knowledge here and what "looked" correct. i think your hypothesis also sounds quite believable, i just wasn't able to find anything of the sort myself so i went with a simpler alternative idea.

i personally assumed the values i edited might determine the actual food blob that appears itself and not the outside of the jar as the numbers assigned to them, if they are indeed the flavour value which of course they may not be, line up with ones that would be considered edible in petz (00, 02, 03). and not for example "colourful/smooth" (08) or "metallic" (0D) flavours that inedible toyz (like for example the spoon by itself) would have.
the value right before the colour and flavour which is mysteriously set to an (08) seems to be what lets the jar interact with the spoon (changing it removes this function), which is why i believe this may be the correct area of data? but again, i'm just kind of hoping. i am literally just looking at and editing plain hex code after all LOL

i don't really know if there's an easy way to test what flavour the petz/babyz actually recognize an item as!

edited to add:
ok, after a bit of advice i did a more concrete test - attempting to check if the flavours are indeed recognized as different by feeding them to a high finickiness baby. in petz, high enough finickiness will make them only want to eat their favourite flavour. this was however quite inconclusive, as the baby reacted the same way with my edited flavour versions as with the originals - picking one favourite bowl out of them all, the same one each time independent of the values i assumed were flavour. i don't know what exactly determines that or if it's random or something! especially since all(?) babyz seem to have the same default favourite flavour value of 01.

[Trisha 🌅]

this is so cool! thank you so much for sharing!

[lobb]

I replied in the other thread to avoid spamming here

I hope people report back on any changes they notice in how their babyz react, that might help pinpoint stuff!

[Bobbi Jo 🎷]

I love this! Thank you so much for sharing! <3

[Wilds]

oh this is fascinating... it really seems like babyz are more of a pain to figure out than petz - even without the 'fixed' versions here (which I haven't tried yet), I've honestly always found that my babyz change their preferences etc ALL THE TIME and don't really seem to have any clear favourites from one day to the next. it's so hard to actually do tests/controls for this kind of thing though!

REGARDLESS this is great work and I love seeing you poke around in the code, as ever <3

[queenie]

Dec 16, 2023 17:44:30 GMT -5 Wilds said:

oh this is fascinating... it really seems like babyz are more of a pain to figure out than petz - even without the 'fixed' versions here (which I haven't tried yet), I've honestly always found that my babyz change their preferences etc ALL THE TIME and don't really seem to have any clear favourites from one day to the next. it's so hard to actually do tests/controls for this kind of thing though!

REGARDLESS this is great work and I love seeing you poke around in the code, as ever <3

i did attempt to do research and i think i talked about this in the milk discord briefly and also further up in this thread but oh my god coming from petz, babyz are a total enigma with how they seem to process what their food preferences are, and if they'll want to eat or not. i tested using nearly all of the babyz from the little internal stork webpage, you know the ones with code names LOL and to my shock and horror i realized that all of their personality values are very samey (nearly all of them seem to just be a flat 0, 50 or 100). even the ones that i assumed to have high finickiness didn't really behave much more finicky than the rest... like, at first i thought they did, but they didn't after testing a second time so that was a waste of time! thanks babyz for being so weird and complex.

i still have no clue if my adjective fixes are correct because of that! as far as i know, babyz will be picky with different things all the time, not like a petz pet that might have an incredibly specific preference (or hatred for cheese). once i have more time i wanna do more experiments because listen i need to know if babyz can actually tell the difference between banana and carrots. this is important to me eventhough i barely play the game!

[lobb]

Dec 16, 2023 17:44:30 GMT -5 Wilds said:

oh this is fascinating... it really seems like babyz are more of a pain to figure out than petz - even without the 'fixed' versions here (which I haven't tried yet), I've honestly always found that my babyz change their preferences etc ALL THE TIME and don't really seem to have any clear favourites from one day to the next. it's so hard to actually do tests/controls for this kind of thing though!

REGARDLESS this is great work and I love seeing you poke around in the code, as ever <3

Interesting! I wonder what the mechanism is for changes in preference. I've got babyz whose preferences seem to be pretty consistent and babyz who change but pretty gradually so it takes several days (at least) for them to "change". On the other hand, I've got a couple of babyz who are really unpredictable and random and whose preferences vary a lot and very quickly.

As an aside, I think age influences babyz preferences a bit, because I've noticed that if they're at age 0 they're more likely to prefer milk/juice instead of actual food? Or maybe that's just me!